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By Honorat Selonnet
Rating: PG
Disclaimer: Don’t get me wrong, love. I admire all the money Disney makes on this movie. But I don’t get any of it.

Summary: One person’s triumph is often another’s tragedy. There’s always another side to the story. The deleted scene of the Proposal mostly from Norrington’s POV but some from Governor Swann and a little from Elizabeth. Angst alert. But some fun young Elizabeth. More movie novelization including deleted scenes and filler—the second trip to Isla de Muerta.

Thanks and one small Caribbean Island in a nearby universe go to [livejournal.com profile] geek_mama_2 for beta work on this. Any errors and inconsistencies remain mine.

* * * * *


Weatherby Swann glanced from Elizabeth’s pale face to the commodore’s stern one. It was his dearest desire to see his daughter safely under the protection of a good man like his friend James Norrington. Safe, please God. She was his only child. The light of his life. All that remained to him of the beauty and vibrancy that had been his wife. When those savage pirates had kidnapped her, he’d never known such terror, such anger. He hadn’t known his heart could endure such pain and still keep beating. To spare her a moment of the anguish she must have gone through, he would have suffered any torture himself. When he had insisted on coming with the Dauntless, he had desired nothing more than to avenge every indignity she might have suffered. If they had harmed a hair on her head, he had sworn he would see every last one of them in hell—either sunk to the bottom of the sea or strung up on the gallows. He’d had no hope that such depraved criminals would not harm her.

But now she was miraculously restored to him, and while his rage burned against the men who had battered her, wounded her, and left her to die, his overwhelming instinct was to get her to safety as swiftly as possible. Pursuit of pirates could wait.

But somewhere in the trauma of her week of captivity, Elizabeth had grown into an awareness of her own power. She had manipulated James like an expert swordsman drives an opponent into a corner. All to save a blacksmith’s apprentice she had befriended as a child. And now, instead of flying home to Port Royal and safety, she was about to undertake another perilous adventure. If the Commodore did as she had requested, they would soon be back under the guns of that ghostly galleon that had sprung up out of black night with cannons blazing. And his precious little girl would be in the midst of fire and fighting and flying shrapnel. He must stop this, if at all possible.

Hurrying up to Norrington, he objected, “Commodore, I must question the wisdom of this.”

But he was already too late.

* * * * *

Commodore Norrington felt himself being pulled in too many different directions. Painstakingly he had sorted through the threads that entangled him, seeking the course wherein lay his duty. He had not been completely comfortable with the governor’s decision to abandon the boy Turner. While the lad’s actions had been rash, he had, it seemed, managed to pry Elizabeth out of the hands of the crew of the Black Pearl. Of course she had then fallen into the hands of that pirate Sparrow who had been on the loose thanks to Will, but that had turned out far better than he’d been given reason to expect. While the boy deserved punishment, the kind of death he would find at the hands of pirates was far beyond his due. And Norrington was not a man who sought petty vengeance against a rival.

Nor had he been sure that his duty to maintain law and order in the Caribbean did not demand that he pursue the Black Pearl while he had the chance and the benefit of Sparrow’s expert knowledge of the ship and its crew—although Sparrow’s clear desire to chase after that ship had been the strongest argument against that course of action. But the Black Pearl would indeed still be there for the chasing, more’s the pity, at a later date.

No. What had decided him to bend to the governor’s will had been the knowledge that that course of action would remove Elizabeth to safety. Certainly that was the governor’s motive, and it was one of which Norrington approved.

But he had not expected the outcome of that decision. Instead of accepting the judgment of those who had her best interests at heart, his fiery beloved had turned and faced them down. Had rejected protection and safety and had demanded that Will Turner be rescued. James Norrington had the grace to be ashamed, both of his tacit willingness to leave Will to his fate, and for his underestimation of Elizabeth’s courage and loyalty.

Now his old friend was questioning his change of orders. He knew it must appear that he was going against his better judgment for the sake of a green girl’s emotional outburst, but James Norrington had never led with his heart. Oh, he was glad he could indulge Elizabeth’s evident desire within the bounds of his duty. But he would never have sacrificed that duty to her pleading eyes. He was sorry for the governor. He knew the anguish the man had suffered over the last week—knew how much he must be dreading further heart-break. But he must pursue the course he knew was correct.

Firmly he informed the older man, “With all due respect, Governor, Mr. Turner is a subject of the British Crown and therefore under my protection.” He had to force himself to meet his friend’s stricken eyes. Pressing his lips together, he braced himself for Governor Swann’s outburst.

It did not come. He should have known that a good man such as Weatherby Swann would support right action once it was pointed out to him.

* * * * *

The Governor glanced once towards his daughter, then looked back at Commodore Norrington with a half smile. They were two of a kind, his daughter and the good commodore. No personal sacrifice would turn either of them from a course they had deemed right. Elizabeth was willing to risk her life to save the boy who had saved her life. The commodore was willing to do the same.

Governor Swann knew he was not a brave man. Oh, he could stand on the battlements during a cannonade if he felt it was his duty. But he would not choose a course of danger when another option existed. It had been a mistake for him to try to force Elizabeth into his own mould. She was her mother’s daughter in more than her sparkling brown eyes. He nodded to himself and looked up at the commodore with a fuller smile. If the man felt it was his duty to rescue Will Turner, there was nothing to be done about it. A hundred guns had no chance of turning James aside from doing what he believed was right.

And so he gave his approval to the commodore’s decision to provide Crown protection to the blacksmith’s apprentice. “Rightly so,” he agreed.

But his heart failed him as he thought of what might lie ahead.

* * * * *

The slightest sympathetic smile touched the corners of James Norrington’s mouth as he saw the governor fight and win that battle. There were many kinds of heroism, not the least of which was the bravery of a man who was naturally timid. He saw Governor Swann glance over at his daughter standing by the ship’s rail, looking pale and tired. She had been through such an ordeal already. His heart longed to remove her from all this danger and bloodshed, but she had made that impossible.

When Weatherby Swann looked back at James Norrington, the governor seemed older somehow. His eyes held a look of bewildered loss that touched the commodore.

“Take care of her,” the governor requested in a voice that trembled a little.

Norrington smiled more fully at his friend, a promise in his eyes. Of course. You did not need to ask. He looked down, knowing he wanted nothing more than to obey the governor’s wishes. It had been his dream ever since the moment he had realized that the child he had known had become a beautiful woman he did not know.

When he had first met Elizabeth on the crossing of the Atlantic, she had been a sparkling mischievous little—well, “monkey” came to mind, also “minx” and “brat.” Nothing was safe or sacred from her inquisitive, adventuresome ways. Whenever she went missing and her concerned papa would bustle about nervously, she would be found in some new, unthought-of location in the ship—splashing about in the bilges; perching on the fighting top; chasing rats in the ship’s stores; once even conversing with a sailor under discipline in the brig. The galley, the gun decks, the bowsprit (that had given them all a turn); the captain’s cabin (for which she had received a sound scolding); the quarterdeck where only officers were allowed; the forecastle racks (to try out a hammock, and she’d had fleas for the rest of the trip). Once she had made it up the rigging to the top gallant yard before she was missed. Fearless and intrepid and adorable and as ubiquitous as a cockroach. Whatever a man most particularly wanted her not to see or hear, there she would be found wide-eyed and open-eared.

The men had loved her, given her trinkets gleaned from their travels, told her wild and unfortunately off-colour tales of their adventures, taught her rollicking songs, and assisted her in her insatiable thirst for knowledge of ships and the sea. If a gently-born girl could become a cabin boy, Elizabeth nearly had. She’d learnt navigation and had sweet-talked her way into taking the helm on more than one occasion. In fact she’d been a quicker study than the actual cabin boys. Once when they’d thought they might be engaged by an enemy ship, he’d been horrified to find her helping the powder monkey. Fortunately that encounter had come to naught. The Dauntless was a power with which to be reckoned and few ships chose to take the risk.

When young Will Turner had joined them, the mischief had doubled. He’d caught them having a duel—with un-bated blades. Pranks abounded. A rather badly drawn charcoal mermaid had appeared on the main chart in the captain’s cabin. Mice showed up in sea boots. Once, the captain’s dinner had been served to the crew. It had been a journey he’d never forget, and one of which he’d been glad to see the end.

He had been relieved when they’d reached Port Royal and little Elizabeth Swann was still in one piece—brown as a berry, entirely freckled, and with the vocabulary of a navy tar—but missing no limbs.

There, the new governor had assumed control over the gradually recovering capitol of Jamaica. As commander of Fort Charles, James had worked closely with the man to resurrect the city from the aftermath of the great earthquake that had nearly destroyed it, and he had been surprised and delighted to discover that it was no hardship; that somehow, they had become friends.

And so he had often met Elizabeth in long relaxed evenings at the Swann’s home, where she had plied him with questions about his adventures at sea and the battles in which he had fought and the strategies that had prevailed. She’d been as eager and bright as a young ensign, forcing him to recall minute details of wind and sea and the placement of men, occasionally offering suggestions that were ludicrous, but sometimes he was surprised to realize that her strategy might have turned the tide sooner or entirely in some past action.

That had been one of the reasons he had felt she would be such an ideal wife for him. They were already friends, and she would understand his duties and his love of the sea. Now, it seemed his dreams were about to be fulfilled. He should have been happy.

At the sound of Governor Swann’s footsteps heading up the stairs to the quarterdeck, Norrington looked up from his musings. The moment to which he had been looking forward and which he had been dreading had come. He bowed his head for a moment.

How he wished that Elizabeth had not felt so trapped that she had to barter her consent to his proposal for his consent to rescue Will Turner. James felt an unjust rush of anger at Will for coming between Elizabeth and him in what should have belonged to the two of them alone. For making what should have been a joyous occasion, unclouded by any doubt, into this painfully tense moment.

Glancing over at Elizabeth who was staring fixedly at the deck, James Norrington compared this strained silent woman with the laughing eager-eyed girl they had rescued and his heart constricted. Something was very wrong here.

Softly he spoke her name: “Elizabeth.”

She looked up at him, her eyes large and haunted. He held out his arm to her as one might to a frightened little bird. What had happened? What had he unwittingly done to make her so afraid? He had never really feared that Will Turner was a serious rival for Elizabeth’s regard. He had assumed that Will was merely suffering from calf love and would eventually transfer his attentions to a young woman more suited to his station. But now he knew an insidious fear that Elizabeth’s affections had been truly engaged by young William, and her bargain with himself was nothing more than a desperate attempt to save not her childhood friend, but the man she truly loved. He shied away from the thought, but it persisted.

For a moment he thought Elizabeth might refuse to come to him, might indeed just remain there frozen and staring at his arm forever. But finally she moved to his side and he felt the feather light brush of her fingers resting on his sleeve.

* * * * *

Elizabeth had watched as the exchange of property had taken place between her father and . . . her fiancé, she thought the word for the first time. She felt drained, emptied of all volition, more exhausted than after the battle on the Interceptor. She could see that James was holding out his arm towards her, but she couldn’t seem to move towards him.

The finality of her bargain terrified her. What had she done? She met the commodore’s worried eyes. What had she done to him? Whatever it had been, an eternal knell had been sounded. She had given her word. He was holding out his arm to her. Claiming what she had promised to him. As though she were walking on the bottom of the sea, she moved towards him and set her hand as lightly as possible on his sleeve, feeling his muscles tense beneath the fabric. If only it were Will to whom she was promised. But that could never be, now.

Norrington looked into the dark eyes of the woman he loved, searching for some answer to his questions. But Elizabeth’s eyes only raised more questions. He bowed his head, searching for the right words. “I am . . .” he hesitated, looking up, “. . . concerned that your answer was perhaps . . .” He halted, mouth still open, but no inspired eloquence dropped like live coals on his tongue. Lowering his head again, he swallowed hard and took a couple of deep breaths before turning to face her. “. . . less than sincere,” he finished.

Elizabeth gazed seriously up at him, silent for a moment. He knew, then. Or he suspected. She supposed she had been very obvious. But he did not understand. She had not been lying to him. Dropping her eyes, she began. “I would not give my word lightly.” When she glanced up, Commodore Norrington had closed his eyes and turned away from her.

“Yes, I understand.” James kept his voice low and reassuring, trying not to drive Elizabeth into withdrawing further. Opening his eyes, he tilted his head back and gazed at the hard blue sky, pursing his lips. This certainly qualified as the most difficult conversation he had ever held. But if they were ever to have a chance at finding love out of all this mistrust, he needed to speak to her. Taking a deep breath, he turned to look at her. Even grimy and soot-covered, she was still the most beautiful woman he’d ever seen. “But is it so wrong,” his voice held a note of plea, “that I should want it given unconditionally?”

Elizabeth found she could not look at the commodore. No it was not wrong. A man like James deserved everything whole and perfect in love—not this crippled, broken gift she had to give him. She must never let him know. She must not hurt him any more.

“It is not a condition,” she insisted softly, trying to smile. “It is a request.”

She bowed her head looking blindly at her hands on the Dauntless’s railing, then equally blindly she gazed out to the sea. Somewhere out there was freedom. But she had made her choice. There had never been any real hope for freedom for the governor’s daughter. She only had the right to choose her own chains. And she had chosen.

“Your answer would not change mine,” she reassured James. Then she pressed her lips together. The truth was a bitter thing, not at all like the stories. But she and James respected one another. Surely on that, they could build a life somehow bearable for both of them. And she could tell he loved her.

“You are a . . . fine man, James,” she told him. Nothing she had ever done in her life had prepared her for the difficulty of this moment. But she managed to turn and look into his concerned and loving eyes. She managed to lift the corners of her mouth in a smile. She managed not to weep.

James Norrington knew Elizabeth did not love him the way he did her. She trembled beside him, promising him her life, demanding nothing in return, asking only one boon. But she was still the woman he would choose above all others. And she would not break her word.

“Well. Very well.” His voice was sober, not hopeful as it should have been. But surely, with time, he could win her heart. At least now he would have that chance. He looked down at the lovely woman who had agreed to be his bride. She smiled bravely up at him. His own smile grew more genuine for a moment.

“Excellent,” he breathed.

But why did gaining his heart’s desire feel so much like losing everything he held dear?

TBC

4 All I Ask is a Tall Ship

Date: 2005-09-02 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galadhir.livejournal.com
I do like this! I love the way that everyone is getting their say equally, and that none of the characters get put down in order to build the others up. Was there a novelization? Because if there wasn't, it's beginning to look like your fic would be perfect for the job. I'd buy it :)

Date: 2005-09-02 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
Thank you. I haven't been able to work up much animosity towards any of the characters in this movie. While Elizabeth and Jack had some fairly negative perceptions of Governor Swann and Commodore Norrington in the previous chapter, I wanted this chapter to redeem them somewhat. I guess this reflects how I see life--we bump around in the dark a lot accidentally hurting each other. Some of the challenge was portraying both Elizabeth and James sympathetically. I wanted to show how two honourable people struggle to choose the honourable course for their lives.

I believe there was a children's novelization which I haven't heard much positive about. I've also heard that an adult novelization is supposed to come out in October, but if it does, I don't plan to read it until I've finished my own novelization. And you won't have to buy it because it'll be free here. :D

Date: 2005-09-02 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galadhir.livejournal.com
Yes, it's hard to like James in the earlier part of the film (though I managed it in a big way ;) ), particularly for Jack and Elizabeth, for whom he represents everything they're running from. But of course that's all freedom is, after all - the ability to choose your own chains.

One of the things I particularly liked about this was "There were many kinds of heroism, not the least of which was the bravery of a man who was naturally timid." Not many people give Swann his due, and I was very happy to see that!

Date: 2005-09-02 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
I have a hard time remembering how I felt about James the first time I saw him because it was so long ago, and I've seen it so many times since. But that first proposal, he was so endearing and stiff and nervous--and Elizabeth's half his age! And the ending where he steps aside and doesn't hold Elizabeth to her word. Yeah, he's a love.

I'm glad you like what I've done with Governor Swann. He's a bit of a buffoon in the movie, but it's obvious he really loves his daughter. And that place where he also acknowledges that Elizabeth may have been cornered into accepting Norrington's proposal--he is at least willing to have his hopes dashed for the sake of her happiness. He might hide out in the cabin during the fight on the Dauntless, but honestly, I think I would have too! Brrrrrr!

Date: 2005-09-02 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thekestrel.livejournal.com
Ahhh so perfect. You worked the changing POV's beautifully, I'm in awe. Disney should buy this and have it published in hard copy. I've loved every chapter that you've done, and saved each one. Keep it up, your FANTASTIC!!!! :)

Date: 2005-09-02 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
(*blush*) Thank you for such extravagant praise. I'm glad the POVs worked out here. The insides of these characters' heads fascinate me. Knowing that you like this so much gives me a very warm feeling and the desire to write more--even if Disney won't be buying this!

Aboard the Dauntless

Date: 2005-09-02 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Chapter 3. The line: She only had the right to choose her own chains. Huge amount of information packed into that. Well done. Am enjoying this immensely.

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Re: Aboard the Dauntless

Date: 2005-09-02 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
Thank you for your kind comment. I'm glad you like the chain metaphor. So many of the characters in this movie are bound by an assortment of different kinds of chains--but those of an 18th century young woman had to be particularly galling.

Date: 2005-09-02 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cymbeline.livejournal.com
You have such a way with the depth of these characters. I have always felt sad for James that he knew her reasons and yet clung to to that small hope that she could love him.

Date: 2005-09-02 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
Thank you very much. I felt this deleted scene added so much depth to James' character. Comedy and tragedy are really a matter of point of view--every story is both. I never know what these characters are going to think in these scenes before I write them, and James really wrenched my heart in this one.

Date: 2005-09-02 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erinya.livejournal.com
Heartrending depiction of the deleted scene between Elizabeth and James. Love the last line. Also adore James' reminiscences about young Elizabeth, and her arriving in Port Royal "entirely freckled."

Well done as always! :-) I'm sure your novelization will beat the upcoming official one hands down.

Date: 2005-09-02 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
Thank you for dropping by to comment and letting me know what you liked. I thought a month or more of romping about in the sun would about account for mini-Elizabeth's freckles. As for the lack of freckles on fullsized-Elizabeth, I have only one explanation--strawberry and oatmeal facials and hats. Poor girl.

I hope the official novelization is good, but I'm foolishly gratified that you think mine has a chance of outshining it. (*blush*)

Date: 2005-09-02 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erinya.livejournal.com
I mean it, too. Published movie novelizations usually disappoint me. Good fanfic beats them almost every time.

Date: 2005-09-02 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torn-eledhwen.livejournal.com
Mice in sea-boots! What a cute image!

I like the humour of the description of the first voyage, contrasted with the tension of the last bit. It works well.

Date: 2005-09-02 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
I like the picture of little Will and Elizabeth scampering about in the hold of the Dauntless after mice. Sawdust was all I ever put in someone's boots in my misspent youth.

The flashback to Elizabeth's early relationship with Norrington seemed important to me here. Jack Davenport talks about how that long acquaintance gave depth to his character. This is not a superficial tragedy. This is two old friends, one of whom is in love; the other who can't return it. That weight of friendship made both of their plights heartwrenching for me. And of course the glimpse of happier times was a bit of comic relief in all that heartache. I'm glad you think it works well.

Thank you for your comments.

Date: 2005-11-10 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hendercats.livejournal.com
They were two of a kind, his daughter and the good commodore.
Ooohh, excellent reprise of peas in a pod (uh, guess it's actually a foreshadowing, isn't it?), with the good governor seeing what he wants to see!

Enjoyed wandering through James's memories of young Elizabeth, and how you so deftly give her the knowledge she used on the Interceptor.

Fear that I'm getting to be somewhat of a broken record, but this truly is wonderful!

Date: 2005-11-10 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
Thank you so much! Two comments this morning! *capers about foolishly pleased*

Yes, Governor Swann is not quite ready to relinquish his dream. But in a sense, he's right. Elizabeth and James and Jack are all willing to do what is necessary, but they've got different definitions of what is worth that price. For Norrington, it's his duty, but for Elizabeth, it's her love, and for Jack, it's his freedom.

I did decide there's no way the daughter of the governor would know more about the strategy of a sea battle than a shipload of pirates unless she'd had some instruction. I'm glad you found my theories of how that came about logical.

Broken records are fine. Your needle can stay on that scratch as long as it likes. *grin--will work for flattery*

Date: 2006-08-07 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myystic.livejournal.com
Once again, you've masterfully captured Norrington's emotions here. James Norrington had the grace to be ashamed, both of his tacit willingness to leave Will to his fate, and for his underestimation of Elizabeth’s courage and loyalty. Perfect. Just perfect. I firmly believe James Norrington to be a good man, he's just trapped by the confines of duty (at least in CotBP). I love how agreeing to rescue will brought him closer to his idea of that duty rather than away from it, and that it was Elizabeth's courage and conviction that swayed him more than her actual offer. The irony is beautiful.

I don't know how you paint a very unflattering yet forgiving picture of governor swann, but somehow you manage it, and I salute you.

I love Norrington's reminiscing about meeting Elizabeth, and how their friendship progressed, and how he came to love her (or at least the idea of her, and of loving of her) through that friendship. There's a great fic in there somewhere (hint hint).

I loved the Norrington/Elizabeth scene. You took a few lines of film and made them heartbreakingly tragic. Poor James, he knows that she doesn't love him, but he has so much hope fettered with so much doubt. And Elizabeth knows she's done him wrong, and while she's sorry for that she'd do it again it means saving Will. It's a great character study for her. I have to wonder if the writers for DMC read your fics when recrafting her character, because I see a lot of your version of her in the film. Too bad they didn't use enough of your Jack, too.

Date: 2006-08-07 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
More lovely comments that LJ isn't telling me about! Mmmmmm.

I love how agreeing to rescue will brought him closer to his idea of that duty rather than away from it, and that it was Elizabeth's courage and conviction that swayed him more than her actual offer.
When I was working on this novelization, I played every moment of this scene over and over again, watching the facial expressions of Jack Davenport. The man is an amazing actor. And the little glances down, the almost intervening comments that get swallowed, the movements of muscles in his face--they all led me to believe that Norrington was not in complete agreement with the governor in his decision. Which gave me a sense that the engagement was to appease Swann more than Norrington for Elizabeth. And when he tells the Governor that it is his duty to rescue Turner, I don't believe James is lying. In fact I tend to write on the assumption that characters don't lie unless they give me specific reasons to believe they are deceitful. James doesn't strike me as the sort of man to be swayed from his duty by a green girl, no matter how much he loves her. But he is the sort of man who will accept correction on what constitutes that duty, and that was what I saw happening here.

you paint a very unflattering yet forgiving picture of governor swann
I love Governor Swann. He seems a very real and ordinary person in a world of larger than life characters. He wants his daughter to make a good marriage and be safe and he wants nothing to do with adventures and pirates and derring-do. And really, how many of us can say we're much different? Cursed pirates are all very well in the movies, but I'm not interested in seeing them on my porch!

I love Norrington's reminiscing about meeting Elizabeth
I wanted to explore why this is a real tragedy, why he really loves her, even though he can't slip his duty enough to be the man she can love back. And of course I wanted to give Elizabeth a source for learning Naval strategy. There are too many plot bunnies in my life. I get the feeling I could write forever and never finish--which is why I love these movies.

I'm so glad you liked Norrington and Elizabeth in this scene. Too many times writers take sides. And I wanted to reveal both sides as utterly heartbreaking. As for Jack in DMC! Characters Redeemed While You Wait is the name of my organization. Check out Just Between Us Dying Gods (http://honorat.livejournal.com/45998.html) and Better to Reign in Hell (http://honorat.livejournal.com/44142.html). More will have to await the time to write it, but I have to do that scene with Davy Jones bargaining for Will.

Thank you so much for your kind words. You make my day!

Date: 2006-08-08 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myystic.livejournal.com
Jack Davenport is underrated for his time, and his craft. He never stops, not even when the camera isn't on him (which means that when it accidentally is we're always given a treat). He's so totally invested in the character, body and soul. I'd love to see him on stage, I really would.

I never liked the idea of authors taking sides--it isn't truth (I'm kinda big on this if you hadn't noticed ^.~) It's biased by the author's perceptions, aka their own moral judgements are infused into their narrative. It's the mark of a great author who can have the audience empathize with both parties. When we're torn between who to feel for, then you know you've done a good job.

Characters Redeemed While You Wait? If you can win back my love admiration and respect for the man that killed Jack Sparrow and borrowed his body for DMC I will... well there will be much squeeing involved, I promise you that.

Date: 2006-08-08 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorat.livejournal.com
Really, PotC has some amazing actors: Johnny Depp, Jack Davenport, and Kiera Knightly, and really Mackenzie Crook. Those really stand out to me as people who completely inhabit their roles until even their feet are in character all the time.

I love not taking sides. In "Crossing" I tried to have Norrington shoot Jack's ship to bits and still not make him a villain. It's so much more interesting. As the proverb goes: To understand is to forgive. And I'm really into understanding.

As for Jack in DMC, you really should read the discussion [livejournal.com profile] virgo_79 and I had in her journal. It's the last thing she's posted there, so it should be easy to find. It took me more than ten comments thanks to LJ's limit, but we discussed what we liked and didn't like about the movie--although I'm the kind of person who is really hard to make not like something. I guess as a Literature major, I had to learn ways into all sorts of uncongenial texts until I can go to almost anything and find a way to enjoy it or enjoy analyzing it. But do read those little short shots of mine and see if they don't help.

Wow.

Date: 2006-08-09 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myystic.livejournal.com
It took me 2 days to read that discussion. You guys really went into some pretty deep philosophical waters there with your character analyses. I agreed with a lot of the points you guys made, and I do plan on seeing the film again so that I can pay closer attention to the characters themselves to see if I can see what you guys saw.

I know what you mean about lit majors. If to understand is to forgive, then also to understand is to appreciate. So many times it took crafty, skewed, in-depth analysis and discussion of something in order for me to find what I truly like about it. I wouldn't have survived all my lit survey classes without it.

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